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Added by quintus over 1 year ago

Dear all,

finally a topic for everyone, heh. The game needs a proper name, we cannot permanently call it "Role-Play Game" all the time. The name should be distintive, convey a slightly mysterious feeling, and should be related to the story. Ideally it can be re-used in some way if we ever create a sequel or similar adjascent projects.

With that in mind, I suggest as name Heirs of the Elvish Sword in English; and Das Erbe des Sternenschwerts in German. The German title is even nicer I guess, but it does not translate well to English (the English story does have the Sword of Stars, but it would cause two appearances of the word “of” in the title, i.e. ”Heirs of the Swords of Stars”, which is unfortunate).

I've googled the title(s). The German one does not yield anything useful, the English one interestingly finds Lord of the Rings wikis. Thus I assume the name is free still.

Opinions?


Replies (19)

RE: Name of the Game - Added by xet7 over 1 year ago

quintus

For that, there is also very little results in Finnish.

When I translate "Heirs of the Elvish Sword" to Finnish
as "Haltiamiekan perilliset", and back to English
with Google Translate, it's translated as: "Heirs of the Elf Sword",
that is easier to understand English for me.
With "Elvish" I too easily think "Elvis".

I think this game name is OK.
It is very good there is not many search results for it.

BR,
xet7

RE: Name of the Game - Added by refi64 over 1 year ago

What about "Heirs to the Sword of the Stars"? That might be a bit too cumbersome to say in English though...but I'd be lying if I didn't say "Sword of the Stars" just sounds cool.

RE: Name of the Game - Added by SiggyPop over 1 year ago

Sounds coool - with 3 os, lol. ;>)

RE: Name of the Game - Added by Denerio over 1 year ago

Heirs of the Elvish Sword sounds cool, I like that title, but I also think, like xet7, that Heirs of the Elf Sword is more catchy. You must remember that someone who never heard of the game before has to be able to easily remember the title. The similarity of "Elvish" to "Elvis" is not a far-fetched thought, I think. The German title "Das Erbe des Sternenschwerts" is as nice as the Finnish title "Haltiamiekan perilliset". We of course have to make sure that no one else uses this name for his niche-game, that is right. Heirs of the sword of Stars with two times "of" is a bad idea, that is also my opinion. I would really suggest Heirs of the Elf Sword as a title.

Denerio

RE: Name of the Game - Added by quintus over 1 year ago

Quite diverging opinions, that is! The double-of title seems to be out now. Thank you refi for suggesting an alternative that would not have occured to me as a non-native speaker (Hears to the Sword of the Stars). I take this suggestion also as a hint that the “the” in the title is grammatically required, correct?

The suggestion favoured by Denerio and xet7 (Hears of the Elf Sword) appears to me like invalid English. Can someone of our native speakers please comment on that? I would have thought that it it then needs to be genitive, i.e. "Hears of the Elf's Sword".

In any case, in German we cannot have "Elfenschwert", because I fear it could clash with the fantasy trilogy “Die Elfen” by fantasy writer Bernhard Hennen whose individual books all have titles playing around the word “Elfen”. I don't know if his works were translated to English. I did not find something when I posted the OP.

I currently lean toward's refi's suggestion as it would also resemble the German title better (btw. Denerio, I didn't know you can read Finnish).

similarity of "Elvish" to "Elvis"

The King is alive!--

I'd like to point out that the German title would not have this problem in any way. As for the English one, I would think it is apart far enough, but I certainly am not the right one to judge.

We could also give the sword in question a proper name (quite a few swords in myths have names, probably everyone knows Excalibur) and then use that name in the game's title.

RE: Name of the Game - Added by refi64 over 1 year ago

quintus wrote in RE: Name of the Game:

I take this suggestion also as a hint that the “the” in the title is grammatically required, correct?

Yup, it's required since "Sword of the Stars" is singular. If it's plural, you could technically go without "the", though it would admittedly sound a bit odd.

The suggestion favoured by Denerio and xet7 (Hears of the Elf Sword) appears to me like invalid English. Can someone of our native speakers please comment on that? I would have thought that it it then needs to be genitive, i.e. "Hears of the Elf's Sword".

Indeed, since "Elf" here is a noun it can't really be used to describe another noun "Sword". On the other hand, "Elfish" or "Elven" would both be adjectives and could be used here, as well as "Elf's" like you mentioned. (Completely useless grammar side note: technically some sources would consider "Elf's" to still be a noun, except it's being used as an adjective. This, of course, makes as much sense as most of the rest of English, which is to say it doesn't.)

In any case, in German we cannot have "Elfenschwert", because I fear it could clash with the fantasy trilogy “Die Elfen” by fantasy writer Bernhard Hennen whose individual books all have titles playing around the word “Elfen”. I don't know if his works were translated to English. I did not find something when I posted the OP.

I currently lean toward's refi's suggestion as it would also resemble the German title better (btw. Denerio, I didn't know you can read Finnish).

similarity of "Elvish" to "Elvis"

The King is alive!--

I'd like to point out that the German title would not have this problem in any way. As for the English one, I would think it is apart far enough, but I certainly am not the right one to judge.

We could also give the sword in question a proper name (quite a few swords in myths have names, probably everyone knows Excalibur) and then use that name in the game's title.

RE: Name of the Game - Added by sydney over 1 year ago

Quintus, I think refi64 has answered everything better than I could have. I do agree that "Elvish" is very close to Elvis, and probably should be avoided, but "Elven" or "Elf's" would be a good alternative.
I personally prefer "Sword of the Stars" as the name title; it is shorter, easier to remember and as refi64 said, just sounds cool. "Heirs of the Elven(or Elf's) Sword" sounds cool also, and if it translates better, might be the better choice though.

-Sydney

RE: Name of the Game - Added by quintus over 1 year ago

Thank you two for your valueable input. English can drive me mad at points. Denerio's suggestion probably resulted from the fact that this kind of noun concatenation is possible in German (and from xet7's response I guess it also is okay in Finnish). The grammatical phenomenon is called “Kompositum” in German and is the root for the well-known and widely feared possibility to build basically endless words in German.

If it's plural, you could technically go without "the", though it would admittedly sound a bit odd.

I just realised I had a typo in the very first post of this topic that accidentally used the plural “swords”. That one was meant to be singular. Thanks for the clarification anyway.

I personally prefer "Sword of the Stars" as the name title; it is shorter, easier to remember and as refi64 said, just sounds cool.

I agree it sounds nice and is catchy. I would have gotten convinced by you two, but... Look: https://store.steampowered.com/app/258930/Sword_of_the_Stars_The_Pit__Gold_Edition_DLC/

It appears to be a roguelike rather than an RPG, but I think it's better to stay away from existing game titles. The stakes are too high.

"Elfish" or "Elven" would both be adjectives and could be used here

“Elven”, that's interesting. That would not have occured to me, sounds more archaic. Just “The Elven Sword” sounds too flat in my opinion, though. What about Heirs of the Elven Sword or Hears to the Elven Sword? Googling that, again, mostly turns up Lord of the Rings fan websites (example). If you like the title, please also exercise your Google-fu, maybe I overlook something. Again a question for the native speakers: do these two titles have different meanings or are they synonymous? That is, does it make a difference wether “to” or “of” is used?

We could also try a combination: “The Elven Sword from the Stars”, but now I think it's getting weird. That title does not convey the right notation in my opinion. It sounds as if the game is about elves travelling into space. That might make an interesting game in itself (elves on Mars!), but I don't think this is part of our story.

-quintus

RE: Name of the Game - Added by quintus about 1 year ago

I have put some more thought into it. Specifically, I have decided that Fengir's sword, being so central to the legend, shall bear a proper name. It shall be called Ilmendur, which is a misformed transcription from an original Elvish word into something Fairy Land's non-elvish inhabitants can pronounce. The original Elvish name means “Sternenfeuer” in German and “Burning Star” in English (I tried my best to convey the German connotations into the English word, improvements appreciated). Of this legendary sword is not normally spoken by name; it's usually descriptively called the “Sword from the stars” by Fairy Land's inhabitants; Earth's (that is, Freya) sometimes simply say “elven sword”. I googled Ilmendur, and it gave 0 (in words: zero) results. DuckDuckGo found 1 result, where some pseudonymous MMORPG player named his avatar like that. This we can ignore I suppose. I also considered “Ilmendor”, but entirely subjectively I think Ilmendur sounds even more mysterious.

Building on top of that I propose to combine this with the suggestion we already had. Thus, I propose as game title Ilmendur - Heirs to the Elven Sword. This has the nice side effect that if we ever decide to make a sequel or prequel we already have a series name available.

Please let me know what you think.

-quintus

RE: Name of the Game - Added by xet7 about 1 year ago

I think it's great :)

BR,
xet7

RE: Name of the Game - Added by quintus about 1 year ago

I take it that there are no objections to the name choice then? If you have some, please speak up now.

-quintus

RE: Name of the Game - Added by sydney about 1 year ago

I have no idea how to pronounce Ilmendur, but think it sounds great! My apologies if it seems I'm ignoring these threads, I just haven't had much free time.

RE: Name of the Game - Added by SiggyPop about 1 year ago

Just do it! ;)

Sounds cool to me - you can change it later, if you want... It's like, when I'm writing songs - I've got 1000 ideas and keep them in a database - if I open an older folder, sometimes I got a new idea about it... you don't have to be 100 % sure about it now. Maybe the epiphany comes after a while... ;>)

Another thing I wanted to ask you: (It's more about music)

You've got a lot of ideas/topics about areas there: plz could you tell me in detail - just in a few words - how you would like the sound and music to/for it? Mood, feeling aso. - special ideas? You know, (there's a saying in Germany: A man, a word, a woman, a wordbook, lol :D :P ) I've made a lot of stuff now, and I think, the time is right to cut (like they say in bodybuilding - I've been through a real hard power training phase the last 3 weeks - mass- & strenght-building, pheeew - can't move :P went up to 40 kg - & now the cutting phase comes - some ppl. take drugs, I do bodybuilding - that gives you the real kick :P )

  • If you're interested in training, here's my site:

https://siggi-jean.jimdofree.com/

OK - just in a few words - very coool name - w. 3 os!
SP. ;>)

RE: Name of the Game - Added by SiggyPop about 1 year ago

Hi all :)

I would like to add:

You must not take everything I say too seriously! I often have fun - & in the chat this often comes across wrong!
So, if there are some ladies here - we weren't introduced to each other - I apologize if anyone got that in the wrong throat. - A saying in Germany...
But I am always of the opinion: What loves itself, teases itself! ;)
And I think you know me well enough, that I wouldn't offend any of you, right? OK :)

OK, my friends - like MJ said:
I love u all! ;)

Here's a nice pic, I've posted in my rock group: :D

Yours,
SP. ;>)

RE: Name of the Game - Added by Denerio about 1 year ago

Hi all,

I consider Ilmendur - Heirs to the Elven Sword as a very suitable name for our game. It is very catchy. Having a series name available is a very nice thing for sure. "The Elven Sword from the Stars" is sounding pretty weird, I have to admit that.

Denerio

RE: Name of the Game - Added by quintus about 1 year ago

Done! I have renamed it in the Redmine settings and even adapted the project identifier accordingly. This means that the URL for the project's web pages changed from https://redmine.guelker.eu/projects/rpg/ to https://redmine.guelker.eu/projects/ilmendur/. I configured the HTTP server to redirect the old /rpg URL accordingly, so existing links will continue to work. The identifier change required to manually edit Redmine's database, though. If something looks amiss, please leave a note here and I'll look into it.

Also please note the repository moved from rpg.git to ilmendur.git. I updated the project front page accordingly; please adjust your local Git copies to the new repository URL. The anonymous Git rpg repository has been symlinked accordingly, but this was not possible with the write access repository. For that one, you do have to change the Git remote's URL. Probably it is easiest if you just clone again with the new URL as per the front page.

-quintus

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